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Ignacio Sainz de Medrano's avatar

Fascinating article. Any of those ideas are better than the Eurasia political union conceived by Orwell (who, let's hope not, could appear again as an accurate foreseer of the coming future)

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Javier Jurado's avatar

I have already prepared a nice historical tale around that I think you two will like.

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Miguel García Álvarez's avatar

Really waiting for that :)

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M. E. Rothwell's avatar

As soon as I saw the title of this post I was hoping for Maas' map and you didn't disappoint! Have loved it ever since I saw a copy in person in the Esperanto Museum in Vienna. Never heard of the other two projects though, absolutely fascinating!

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Miguel García Álvarez's avatar

I've always been fascinated by the whole story of Esperanto (why and how it came about, and why it didn't get very far). I did not know about such a museum in Vienna, so now I have a good reason to go back (besides a real Sachertorte).

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M. E. Rothwell's avatar

It’s in the same building as the Globe Museum, so you absolutely have to go back if you didn’t get a chance to see that last time! Honestly, the Coronelli globes alone are worth the flight fare

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Miguel García Álvarez's avatar

I definitely have to. The last time was 16 years ago and, to be fair, my mind was in a wholly different place (27 yo — surprisingly, Vienna's nightlife is quite appealing).

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Worth's avatar

Notably, in the early 19th C., this was one of the long-term intentions of Giuseppe Mazzini and his Young Europe association(s) as well. He and his acolytes were nationalists with cosmopolitan ideals.

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Miguel García Álvarez's avatar

Good point too. Thanks for bringing it up.

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History Explored's avatar

Very interesting article, enjoyed reading it

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Miguel García Álvarez's avatar

Thank you!

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Mike Moschos's avatar

What a lot of people are unaware of today -- and possibly even people at the time such as Kohr who called for it when it was still around -- is that the USA for the first ~175 years of its existence (so during when all those people were calling for it) wasnt just a political federation, it was also an *economic federation*, meaning that it wasnt a fully integrated single unitary market like the EU has come close to achieving, it also wasnt simple a confederation, it was in the middle, it was deeply integrated and maintained a strong national (federal) structures in all matters, while also maintaining limited but significant latitude for policy variability (including in economic matters), a limited but moderate amount of inter-State trade frictions, and to a more significant -- yet still somewhat limited -- extent, inter-State capital flow inhibitors. It was a politically, economically, governmentally, and scientifically decentralized system. Not a seamless, single, centralized system. It was a *federation*.

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Miguel García Álvarez's avatar

That's an excellent point, Mike. Thanks for the insight.

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Demetri Dourambeis's avatar

Fascinating. So much change and shifting around.

Expressions of nationalism and national pride with the belief of having discrete ancestry and culture create the impression that everything has been relatively stable in Europe for years, decades, centuries, and millennia.

But this is far from reality. We are all part of the same flippin' family ... err ... hmm ... 🤔

Perhaps this is probably why most families only meet once a year on top of weddings and funerals.

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Miguel García Álvarez's avatar

I truly hope we manage to get better than all those families that only meet once a year!

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